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Men Are Supposed To Be The Providers Vs All The Things Women Were Not Allowed To Do

4/12/2025

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Myopic points of view are already annoying enough to deal with, but when the tunnel vision comes from minds that are not able to connect the past to the future, then an omission of history on their part can only lead to ignorance, echo chamber programming and one dimensional thinking.
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Empowered And Equal...but not when we date
​When I watch dating podcasts, especially the American ones, the one requisite I see a woman demand time and time again, is that he be a provider and I don't mean in collaboration with her, but solely. Yes, in this ridiculous worldwide economy, the pressure to be an economic hero is still a part of marriage capitalism that just won't go away. What annoys me the most about the ask, is the lack of historical awareness; in that, the only reason men were sole providers is by default - women were not allowed to do a gaaaard damn thing and so there wasn't an A or B or an AB choice. Also, money stretched way much better in the past and one income was enough. Society is no longer built that way, where in the 1920's you could buy a small house for £200. Now, that money could be used for a sigle night on the town.
We are no longer in those times, well some of the world isn't, and yet the programming hasn't changed. Women - especially of the West; you are no longer vulnerable. Your fate as an adult woman is no longer in the hands of your father and then your husband. And so the perpetuated idea that a man has to be a sole breadwinner is ridiculous, but also selfish. If you want a ye olde marriage set-up, then be prepared to be a wife of those times with few rights and privileges - which brings me to what stopped women from being providers in the first place.
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The following is an AI generated list of all the tings women were not allowed to do, which did make them vulnerable and so I ask, what is the excuse for today, in not wanting to contribute to your own survival? When you are single you do it - marriage should not make a difference.
🏦 Financial & Economic Autonomy
Obtain a Credit Card in their Own Name: Before the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974, banks could legally refuse to issue a credit card to a woman unless she had a male co-signer (husband, father, or brother).
  1. Open a Bank Account without a Male Co-signer/Permission: In many states, especially if married, a woman needed her husband's permission or signature to open a checking or savings account. While some states had laws allowing this earlier (e.g., California in 1862), the widespread cultural and discriminatory practice persisted for many institutions until the 1960s and 1970s.
  2. Get a Business Loan without a Male Co-signer: Similar to credit cards and mortgages, women were often denied loans for business ventures without a man's signature.
  3. Obtain a Mortgage in their Own Name: It was standard practice for banks to refuse mortgages to women, regardless of their income, unless they had a male co-signer.
  4. Be Protected from Job Discrimination based on Pregnancy: Before the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978, women could be legally fired from their jobs just for being pregnant.
  5. Receive Equal Pay for Equal Work (Without Legal Protections): While the Equal Pay Act of 1963 was passed, wage discrimination remained a widespread practice and was difficult to fight without strong legal precedent and enforcement.
  6. Be Admitted to a Military Academy: The first women were admitted to US military academies (like West Point) in 1976, and the first classes with women graduated in 1980.
  7. Get a Job as a Bartender (In some states): Specific jobs, like being a bartender, were legally restricted to men in some states until court rulings in the early 1970s.
  8. Keep their Job After Getting Married (in certain professions): "Marriage bars" were common policies in fields like teaching and nursing, forcing women to quit upon marriage.
  9. File for Bankruptcy without Husband's Permission: Married women often lacked independent legal standing in financial matters.
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🏛️ Legal & Political Rights
Serve on a Jury in All 50 States: While many states allowed women to serve on juries after the 19th Amendment, some states maintained systems that excluded or effectively barred women. The Supreme Court ruling in Taylor v. Louisiana in 1975 finally held that excluding women from the jury pool violated the requirement that a jury be drawn from a fair cross-section of the community.
  1. Choose to Use their Maiden Name on Official Documents: Until the 1970s, many states or institutions required a married woman to use her husband's surname on official forms like driver's licenses or passports.
  2. Refuse Sex from her Husband (Marital Rape Protection): Marital rape was not a crime in all 50 states until the mid-1990s. Protection for wives from sexual assault by their husbands began to be legally recognised in some state courts in the late 1970s.
  3. Get a Legal Abortion for Any Reason: The landmark Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade in 1973 legalised abortion nationwide.
  4. Be Protected from Workplace Sexual Harassment: While this was always wrong, it wasn't defined and recognised as a form of illegal employment discrimination until the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) defined it in 1980.
  5. Have Legal Recourse for Domestic Violence without Police Viewing it as a "Private Family Matter": Before the 1970s, police were often hesitant to intervene in domestic abuse cases, viewing them as private issues.
  6. Divorce a Husband for "No-Fault" Reasons (In many states): The introduction of "no-fault" divorce laws, which did not require one spouse to prove the other was at fault (like adultery or cruelty), began in California in 1969 but spread across the US primarily in the 1970s.
  7. Legally Live with their Boyfriend: Cohabitation outside of marriage was illegal in many states until the Supreme Court and subsequent state legislative action throughout the 1970s and 1980s.
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⚕️ Health & Body Autonomy
Obtain Birth Control Pills as a Single Woman: While the birth control pill was approved in 1960, the Supreme Court case Eisenstadt v. Baird in 1972 extended the right to contraceptives to unmarried couples.
  1. Be a Part of All Olympic Games: Women's participation in all events was gradually phased in, with some sports remaining male-only until later.
  2. Receive Direct Consultation about Physical and Mental Health (Without Husband's Permission): A married woman often needed her husband's consent for medical procedures or even to see a doctor in some cases.
  3. Receive Equal Education and Entry into all University Programs: Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 prohibited sex-based discrimination in any school or education program that receives federal funding.
  4. Be Admitted to Ivy League Universities: Most Ivy League schools did not become fully co-educational until the late 1960s or early 1970s (e.g., Yale and Princeton in 1969, Harvard in 1977).
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💼 Career & Professional Fields
  1. Be an Astronaut: NASA began training female astronauts in 1978, with Sally Ride becoming the first American woman in space in 1983.
  2. Be a Judge or Supreme Court Justice: Sandra Day O'Connor became the first female Supreme Court Justice in 1981.
  3. Be a CEO of a Fortune 500 Company: While no explicit law forbade this, the cultural and corporate barriers meant the first woman to break the Fortune 500 CEO barrier was in the early 1980s.
  4. Be a Combat Soldier/Pilot: Women were generally barred from combat roles in the military until well after the 1980s.
  5. Be a Sportscaster (In some cases): Women faced immense barriers to entry in sports journalism, with major legal battles, such as the one against the New York Yankees that ended in 1975, to gain equal access to locker rooms and interviews.
  6. Obtain a Degree in Women's Studies: The first Women's Studies program was established in 1970, and the discipline grew throughout the decade.
  7. Work on the Floor of the New York Stock Exchange: Women were officially barred from becoming full members of the exchange until 1967.
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🗣️ Social & Cultural Freedoms
  1. Wear Pants/Slacks to Work (In many white-collar offices): Dress codes often mandated skirts or dresses until well into the 1970s.
  2. Wear Shorts to School (In many public schools): Girls were often required to wear dresses or skirts to school until the 1970s.
  3. Breastfeed in Public (Without Social or Legal Reprisal): While not strictly illegal in a formal sense, public breastfeeding was heavily stigmatised and often resulted in women being asked to leave public spaces.
  4. Run the Boston Marathon: Women were officially barred until 1972.
  5. Adopt a Baby as a Single Woman: Adoption agencies often prioritised married couples, and single-parent adoption was extremely difficult until the 1970s.
  6. Own a Bar/Tavern (In some states): Some state laws prevented women from owning or managing places where alcohol was served.
  7. Hold a Passport in their Own Name (If married, in some cases): In past years, a married woman's passport could be considered part of her husband's travel documents.
  8. Be Acknowledged for Running in the Boston Marathon: After women were allowed to run, they were initially not officially acknowledged.
  9. Attend the University of Notre Dame: The university became fully co-educational in 1972.
  10. Sit in the Front Cabin of a Plane (As a flight attendant): Flight attendant jobs were historically subject to numerous restrictions on age, weight, and marital status, with discriminatory policies lasting into the 1970s.
Now allllllll of that, were modern restrictions, so now imagine what it was like 200, 300, 400,1000 years ago and think of what a swell time you would have had, not having to help pay for your own existence. Being able to look after yourself shouldn't be snubbed at so easily. In 2025 onwards, asking a man to solely provide every little thing for you should be considered an embarrassment of the highest order.
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Random Replies To Social Media Posts

27/11/2025

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We all do it! Someone will say something so ridiculous online, that we have to respond, but end up writing some magnum opus in retaliation...I mean response. See if you can guess what their initial comment, post or podcast was saying that called down the lightning!
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MARRYING IN 2025 WITH THE SOLE FOCUS THAT IT IS TO BE A BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT
You can marry someone that you love, that still has a developing function in personality and an elevating socio-economic prowess. But let's use the thousands of people who came before us (real life case studies) as the "proof of concept". Marrying for love or marrying for money or marrying for both can work or it can go completely wrong. How do you measure if a relationship is going to make the distance? Look up the "The most expensive divorces in the world" the top 5 involve billionaires...so was the benefit of those marriages - for the women, the divorce? Because money and assets didn't guarantee longevity. Meanwhile, you've got high school sweet hearts who both started out with nothing, built together and are married 30 years plus. I tell you; a lot of men, will 'LOVE' this mercenary attitude to relationships because it means they can use it to get past being boring, emotionless, selfish, draconian and even worse.
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SOMEBODY WAS PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT TRADITIONAL SET-UPS IN MARRIAGE WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO BE TRADITIONAL...
All that these types of questions show me, is that people are chained to rituals and traditions outside of the context that they were originally created in the first place. You are free to customise your relationship, where you are actual partners who want to make the situation work for the best of the coupledom. What is the realism of your joint financial power vs a single one? What actually makes sense if you want better options in life? If you want to cling to centuries old traditions, where women didn't have permission to even lick a gaaard damn stamp without a man's say-so - then do you. The rest of us will work with equity and common sense, taking account of our true socio-economic situation and managing it appropriately, rather than clinging to centuries old relationship traditions, wrapped in fake romance that don't even take into account the new era's, new positions and agency that most western women have. Women, you are no longer in a second-class, vulnerable citizen mode - it's 2025 not 1725. And so, entering the relationship as a 'vulnerable' dependent that needs to be taken care of, like you are going straight from your father's house to your husband's house circa 1700, is redundant and self-patronising. Women need to come in as full and competent partners. Oh, and there is no such thing as 'settling' you got, what you could get, otherwise you would have gotten what you actually wanted.
BELOW ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DO
These restrictions are what put women in a vulnerable positions for their whole entire lives, and so, in the past
having a traditional marriage, with a decent man made perfect sense - there was no other option.
But do these restrictions still exist - no. So why are so many 'free' women
​insisting that the man carry the entire load of their existence?
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PEOPLE WHO HATE ON KEVIN SAMUELS VERY OFTEN DON'T KNOW HIS ORIGIN STORY...
Kevin Samuel's was a consultant for rich businessmen who were looking for a wife of a certain type. He actually matched couples up. He also gave very tough advice to 'ordinary' men, yet no one accuses him of hating men. Women came onto his radar (coming to him) because they wanted to know how they could get the rich businessmen, that used his consulting services. Most women were told that they couldn't get them because they were not want the rich businessmen were looking for. Some further asked to be added to an exclusive Facebook match making group and were denied again. Kevin went from bing straightforward but polite, to cutting and mean and the delusional men were not spared either; asking a man "How big is your d**k" as a question to judge your worthiness, is not polite. For some reason, just about every woman he would speak to, would declare herself the exception to what his clients were looking for and it became a running joke. I actually think that his anger towards this element is what made him tire and then ridicule certain types of women. The ones that actually listened to his advice, didn't suffer a public execution, but that content is not rigged to go viral. If you watch full episodes, I guarantee you, that you will side with Kevin in most encounters and simultaneously feel secondhand embarrassment for some of the foolishness that these ladies came with. A lot of the perceived malice turns into comedy, when you see a show from the start and he just can't get a woman to see how her life situation is the complete antithesis of what these rich businessmen are looking for.
TRADITIONAL CHATTER...AGAIN
Dear People, When you say "traditional" please state your era, so we can list the accepted oppressions and duties that came along with that time. And furthermore, if we were to look at you as a single person, would we observe a lifestyle that easily says that you are traditional or old fashioned? If not, why do you suddenly become so when in a relationship? The real problem revolves around format switching; one minute we're down with a patriarchal outlook because it means you get certain benefits, then for some, as soon as something arises that sees you having to work, make a sacrifice or contribution, it becomes a problem and all of a sudden you're subscribing to a branch of feminism that's more about supremacy. Then when that stops working in your favour, we go back to equality, but when that becomes a problem, now we recognise equity. The end game for people like this is to get as much as possible and do and sacrifice as little as they can get away with.
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IDEAS ON MASCULINITY AND FEMININITY...
Masculinity and femininity are expressions of energy that come with their own 'displays'. Even though we would expect a man to naturally have more masculine traits and women more feminine ones, the truth is much more complicated. Just like men and women both have testosterone and oestrogen, the levels are imbalanced for a reason - but still serve to produce mixed results on the spectrum of human experience. If you look at say 'leadership' as a masculine expression, you'll notice that there are many women around the world who are also leaders, so to different degrees there is a harnessing of a masculine traits. For some, this energy will be natural for others it will be a totally learned behaviour in order to survive at work, at home or even in the streets. Masculinity does not come from how much money you make or how strong you are, along with femininity they are expressed attitudes that can't be faked. However, within masculinity there is an expected outcome from owing this energy and it is usually acquired and grown through traversing easy to extremely hard rites of passage tests. With femininity either you have it or you don't, but you can eliminate masculine behaviours to leave feminine ones behind and there are no tests or expectations to prove one's femininity as their are with the masculine.
I AM HERE TO BE SERVED...
There is a power dynamic to all relationships, in matters of coupledom, use your powers to benefit each other. An easy ask for people who lead with compassion and unselfishness. Hard for people who only want to only experience personal gain.
YOU WANT A TRADITIONAL MAN, BUT ARE YOU A TRADITIONAL WOMAN WITH THE ASSOCIATED TRAITS...
Virgin, No kids, and because of being a virgin, that means no sex before marriage. Doesn't use foul language. Has a small network of close friends, has ties to her community, doesn't gossip and this includes telling personal relationship business to anyone who will listen. Doesn't go to risqué places that would shame or tarnish herself and family/name. Doesn't indulge in smoking, drugs or excessive drinking. Maintains close ties to family. Family focused not career ambitious. Can you be these things in 2025? No, then stop asking a man to be traditional with no traditional values coming from your side. Traditional is a hard path to follow...unless your idea of traditional is actually a mixture of everything you want it to be.
OK! SO YOU WANNNA TO GET NUTS! LET'S GET NUTS!
When people try to use the Bible as a format for their relationship, but haven't looked too closely...
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THE REALISM OF AGE & ECONOMICS 
Older Man, Younger Woman - Why? One Reason... A man at 25 years old loves a woman at 23-25 years old, if she is totally for him and them - great! They go off and build together - same age and range. Now, if she is one of those; he's got to be a provider types, then let's break down the reality of what his income has to do. Housing, utilities, Car/s, Wife, kid 1, kid 2, kid 3, Holidays and everything else I haven't mentioned. At 25 years old, in 2025, will most men have the finance for this? No. At 35-45 years old, there is a much greater chance that they do - but once again, with 2025's economics... So, after all the work and sacrifice hi does to get himself into this position, do you actually think he is going to limit his options to his age mates - especially if he wants kids?
PAY EQUALITY...
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Arnold Schwarzenegger's Pay For: The Terminator (1984) - $75,000, for The Terminator 2 - Judgement Day (1991) $15,000,000. What happened in between these two films to garner such a huge pay rise? Answer. Commando, Raw Deal, Predator, The Running Man, Red Heat, Twins Total, Recall and Kindergarten Cop. His pay went up, because he became a major box office draw and one of the most popular actors of the 80s and 90s. None of his movies lost any money and most of them were massive smash hits that are still watched and celebrated today. That's why he ended up getting the big bucks. Now in comparison, actress Linda Hamilton who played Sarah Connor in The Terminator could never have asked for the same money in the reprising of her role in The Terminator 2. She got paid $1,000,000, a figure so far away from Arnie's pay right? But before you start screaming for equality, off the top of your head, list her big projects after the first Terminator film...I'll wait.

So male or female, you can't come into this game and get major pay without proving that you're worth it. Even an OSCAR winner or OSCAR nominee won't get extra money - it's all about your ability to get bums on seats, which in the cinema equates to revenue. And even though I fully back what Taraji P. Hensen has been saying and Viola Davis too, about their pay, there are quite a few other actors out there that need to reacquaint themselves with the "Star Power" rating system and understand that they are not in the same league as these two top actors. Taraji should be getting paid more for her veteran status in combination with what she brings to projects, as for the others harping on about equal pay FOR LEADS - a lead role differs to every other casting position on a film project and they should know this. I've been an extra and featured artist since the year 2016, and if I were to suddenly get a lead role in a film starring opposite Viola Davis, do you think it would makes sense to get paid what she is, with not a single project under my belt? Nobody even knows who the hell I am and so, yes there is equality but there is also righteous equity.
SELFISHNESS DISMANTLED
I agree. Men should fish in their own economic lane, as a woman who has established her lifestyle needs will most likely want whoever comes along, to be able to match it - but admittedly, I am still confused about certain elements. So, to be clear black women are studying harder than ever to achieve good grades at school, they are then going to college to get degrees, masters and PhDs, to then get well paying jobs. They take care of themselves fully for a time, then after putting in all this work, they then demand a man come into their lives and pay 100% for their lifestyle because the year is actually 1823, where women are totally vulnerable and need a man to take care of them - is this correct?

Firstly, the black socio-economic experience is different to everybody else's - stop comparing. Secondly, I will forever respect black women that at least understand; that modern relationships need heavy customisation because the current pushed value system is a weird mix of feminism, patriarchy, capitalism, cultural traditions and religion. Many tenets of each system are actually diametrically opposed to each other and therefore these dating waters have to be navigated with insight. At the very least, let the expectations and duties for both the man and woman be fair. Does this sound like fairness? I (the woman) should be allowed to work, earn heaps of money - but you as the man should pay all the bills simply because you are male. We can only be together if we are equally yoked, but there will be no equality in the relationship, as I get to do what I want (including not being a traditional wife/husband) but you have to fulfil all the duties of the 1950s man/woman. I (the man) expect you to do every domestic chore in the house, work a job and contribute to the bills. People! In these conversations please state why the man or woman should end up in a role that just seems like pure service to you! Don't expect your partner to adopt a mode or couple format that you are unwilling to. Your existence together has to work in harmony - a fixed ye olde format will work for some, but not for others.
WHEN PEOPLE SHOW YOU WHO THEY ARE...
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For me, issues like this should be observed during the dating period, if you see a dressing style, that is the true expression of a potential and you don't like it, then bop. If she (they) happen to ask why you're signing out, then you can tactfully tell her and maybe she'll change...or not, either way at the dating stage I can't really suggest too much on how she should do anything, my mission is to see if we are compatible and if her style suggests that we are not - then bye. My power lies in walking away from what I don't approve of, however, if my actual 'partner' has always been someone that dressed in a way that I never had a problem with and then somewhere down the line she heads into territory that I don't like, then we can have a more in-depth conversation, but stubborn defiance and "I'll do whatever I want" can easily become a two-way street. Any standard that I upheld for you can easily get banished. You can never forget, that you both represent each other now.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT...
Vegans Vs Meat Easters: A Silverback Gorilla is big, powerful, strong and only eats plants. A cheetah is the fastest land animal on the face of the Earth and only eats meat. So here's an idea, in being human and able to consume both, let's just allow those who want to -to do that. But let us also be individually sensible and place bias on how much, of which group of foods we eat from, depending on what our specific bodies need. Dietary comparisons via what animals do can only go so far, as I have no intention of eating raw meat or practicing coprophagy; a practice where some herbivores eat their own poop to "help deliver much needed nutrients and obtain certain nutrients that are produced by microbes present in the digestive tract." Are you gonna do that? No, well why not? I'll wait.... Plus people have reactions to foods that are deemed as healthy, so what sermon are you going to preach to them?
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The Black British Book Festival 2025

16/11/2025

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Reading opens the doors to imagination, creativity, empathy, and lifelong learning. Strong comprehension skills gained from regular reading helps children develop mentally, it initiates an understanding of what surrounds them and hopefully the world at large. Children can better express their own voices when they have the 'tools' and confidence of learned insight and that is why reading is so important.
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You Don't Want A Relationship - You Want Service...Or Something Worse

13/11/2025

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Anyone else tired of all the relationship selfishness going on out there?! Does anyone still have a heart, rather than a list of demands?
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It's nothing new; people all around the world have been saying "Make podcasting equipment more expensive" because there are too many idiots leading people astray. My latest annoyance is slavery, yes, you heard me right and if you'll allow me to land, I will explain this in its relationship context to you.
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WHAT ARE SLAVES WANTED FOR?
Slaves are wanted for their labour prowess and the profit they bring with very minimal cost to the owner.
Slaves do not get tired...actually they do, because they are human, but they are not allowed to feel fatigue or worn out because
they are not viewed as human. They are the thing, that enables the owner to get other things.
Slaves are not allowed to take up space on the shared emotional bandwidth that all relationships are supposed to come with.
Slaves will be used for sex at the will of the owner - for pleasure or breeding, but the style and timetable will solely be up to the owner.
Slaves can't have contrary opinions - it effects the dictatorship.
Slaves can't have opinions at all - they are not here to offer that type of help. 
Ultimately, slaves just have to fall in line and accept a power dynamic of hell.
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Now, I have seen plenty of people stating what they expect from a partner and it reads like slavery or service - service to their lives with no giving back. The only other life form I can think of that could fulfil the unrealistic demands put on a slave, is a cyborg. A cyborg is programmed and so it will be obedient, it will have no problem adhering to its prime directives everyday, without falling short. It can't feel, it can't get tired and so it will keep on going until the wheels fall off. That is the sheer lack of humanity demanded by some people in their dating and marriage wants, and for a mind and heart like mine; these desires being so common, well it is very hard for me to reconcile with. I only do love matches, so I'm in no woman's land, and yes, I know......love is the 'newest' fashion (as old as it is) in the reasons that people get married, but what can I do? The idea of 'obtaining' a wife because she looks like a great womb carrier and has all the attributes of a dutiful wife and mother seem somewhat impersonal for someone I am supposed to spend my life with in 2025 - not 1725. And yes, they are great assets to come with, but my God, they come incased inside of a human being with feelings. Likewise, women looking for a sponsor or one-sided business partner can do one as well.

​Make Kindness, compassion, understanding and LOVE great again!
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Most men don't want to be used for their money.
Most women don't want to be used as domestic help.
​Both don't want to be taken for granted as some sort of asset where their humanity is bypassed.
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Coming Soon: And Singledom For All!

31/5/2021

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"By 2030, 45% of working women aged 25-44 in the United States will be single. That will be the largest share in history, according to research by Morgan Stanley using data by the Bureau Of Labor Statistics". We ask the question why?
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Our Modern Dating Position
​If you are in your late 30s to early/mid 40s, then I would say that you/we are only the second (and third) generation to move within a dating-relationship matrix that is only about 55 years old. This means we are somewhat still undergoing an on-going, ever-changing experiment with 'new' power dynamics forming and being reshaped all the time. One of the oddities of western societies modern outlook; is that we still continue to draw on bits and pieces from old patriarchal systems (Regency, Victorian, Edwardian) and unsuccessfully combine these old modes with newer ideas from different waves of feminism and intersectional civil rights.
How We Are Working Our Dating Scene Is Kinda Haphazard 
This mish-mash of values has confused the playing field no end and the standards and preferences pic'n'mix approach to dating seems to have proponents drawing on what is selfishly advantageous to them, rather than advantageous to the relationship as a whole. I would say that many of the current outlooks and conventions (especially in the States) associated with women's freedom (independence) are now actually closer to ideas of separation and often, if a union is wanted after having been submerged in those waters for too long, ideas of what a relationship is supposed to be, sound like a transactional exchange of services through warped entitlement. This is perhaps why many of us are finding the relationship game unnecessarily hard or even pointless, as working together seems to be based on heavy inequality - the complete opposite of the original aim.
Impending Doom Due To Selfishness
The benefits of patriarchy and the freedoms of feminism are being brought together for selfish gain, creating a confusing state in which to operate - even if you don't willingly or heavily subscribe to either. The reality is; that in this age we have the option to customise our relationships in the most unique beneficial ways, never granted to any other time period (I think) but for some reason, this has actually led to relationship retrograde now sprinkled with a bit of malice and a lot of uncooperation.
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